Curse

sabretalon · Jan 25, 2006, 11:42 AM // 11:42

Well I have been playing now with the same character for over 100 hours. I have not yet completed the game in PVE and only took part in some of the PVP stuff against the computer at the weekend for the factions test.

I have not completed the game since I have spent lots of time exploring all the areas I have been to, I go back to certain places when I have levelled up if it was too difficult the first time I tried it, one instance of this was heading to TOA.

I only play with Henchies so I am a little limited on my choices of team.

I am currently on the quest for acension, I have completed one of the 3 quests but Elona and Thirsty River have me a little bit stuck.

I now someone will jump in here and say search for those quests to get tips etc.. and I have, each time I do I get a search is disabled message. I have then spent time looking through the forums to find mention of the quests.

I'm not asking how to complete them though! I just need to know it can be done with Henchies. I'm a N/W but most of my skills are in N.

I've taken a slight break from this character and I'm building a E/Mo to spend sometime enjoying the game again.

Don't get me wrong, the game is great and I like the challenge but I just don't know if I am taking too much on by trying to take on the elona and thirsty river missions AWH?

I've heard others say that the elona mission is one of the hardest in the game, unless you really know what you are doing. I'm guessing that if you are used to the PVP side of the game, then thirsty river would be easier?

My experience of PVP put me off asking to join with others. I explained I was new to the game and was just looking at what it could do. They accepted that, then when I got owned they started getting in my face with ******* noob how ******* stupid are you????

Since then I have not gone in with any other group PVP or PVE. I do what I can on my own and therefore do not know if I have the right build for an area, I go in an area and if I get trashed I then head back into outpost/town and try rebuilding and changing tactics. It has worked up to now.

I have scope to go back and farm some areas to get the materials together to get better armour and to look for a better weapon, and I probably will do that after I have tried again this weekend to get through to ascension. When I fail, I will head out and farm a little. I have avoided this, other than going back to an area to fully explore it.

On another point, the new ele I am working on seems to be very lucky! She has founds loads of Hidden Stashes around with 3 or 4 items in each, there are place I can go where I know there are stashes in the area each time I load up the area. This did not happen for my main character, from what I remember. Every Grawl she has fought as left a necklace and the skale have all left fins or weapons. Do eles generally have more luck than necros?

Anyway that's enough of my moaning! Thanks for reading and if anyone can tell me that it is possible to get through the elona and thirsty river missions with a necro and henchies, with an idea of what skills to pack for each I would be gratefull.

Dazzen · Jan 25, 2006, 11:55 AM // 11:55

Hi there

For the thirsty river mission, yes it can be done with henches (inc bonus but this one is easy to get). I've done it at level 16 N/Mes, only the monk boss + ennemy priest combo is really annoying whith level 17 hench, the rest is pretty straightforward.
What i used is mostly interrupt/life drain but it's mesmers skills ^^

Also i've had done Elona whith henches but some time ago with my El... It is far from behing one of the hardest missions IMO, the time limit is very decent and the mobs not that much annoying.

Hope this helps a bit

generik · Jan 25, 2006, 12:00 PM // 12:00

Well, consider you guys lucky you have forums and guides now

When I did my first char at release it took me 50 hours to get to grendich!

Sekkira · Jan 25, 2006, 12:00 PM // 12:00

Competition Arena's isn't really what PvP is about in this game. You want to get into it, look up Xen Of Onslaught.

William Stark · Jan 25, 2006, 12:10 PM // 12:10

Hi Sabre Talon,
those Ascension Missions can be rough the first time through (although when you have figured them out you'll probably be kicking yourself and wondering why you coundn't do them easily- I know I did).

Which server are you on out of interest? America, Korea or Europe? If it is Europe then I might be able to help you through Thirsty. A guild mate of mine tried it 13 times (!) by herself before asking for help. When she told us a group of us got together and stormed through with her, so I can undertsand why it might hold you up. She was a necro too.

For a conventional approach to Thirsty River, ther key is timing and the usual defeat of your enemies in detail. When you are facing the multiple groups in the second and third stages you can get them to fight each other if you know what you are doing, but I always think this is over-complicating what can be done simply.

Just attack each base about 5-10 seconds before the enemies are due to res (eg 1 minute 55 seconds). This will give you the maximum time to wipe out each group without them having the chance to res. Never attack a second group or run away into them until you finish off the one you are doing.

Kill the outer guards at each base first, then get your warriors in there to kill the priest. Wipe out the rest of each group with concentrated fire, saving the boss for last. If you want to cap a skill, check which base it is at on one of the online guides, so you can be sure not to attack that one last and lose your opportunity.

Quite an enjoyable mission afaic, so message me if you are in Europe and want a hand. Elona and Dunes are similarly feasible if you plan and co-ordinate well. Elona is the most commonly messed up IMO, because of panicking people running around like headless chickens

Keyote · Jan 25, 2006, 12:26 PM // 12:26

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Originally Posted by sabretalon

My experience of PVP put me off asking to join with others. I explained I was new to the game and was just looking at what it could do. They accepted that, then when I got owned they started getting in my face with ******* noob how ******* stupid are you????

Since then I have not gone in with any other group PVP or PVE. I do what I can on my own and therefore do not know if I have the right build for an area, I go in an area and if I get trashed I then head back into outpost/town and try rebuilding and changing tactics. It has worked up to now.

First off, the people who call others noobs are kids. They call people noobs if they beat them and team players noobs because they lost. It's simply because they have no life outside a computer game and cant get a girlfriend. Ignore them or make fun of them for amusement.

You've got yourself stuck in a catch 22. If you dont join groups because you get called a noob, you wont get better at the game. If you dont get better they'll be right in not wanting you there. Best thing is to start over and do it grouped with other people so by the time you reach the end you'll have a much better understanding of what to do with players or hench.

I have almost 1000 hours in this game and I still occasionally get called a noob by idiots who clearly have no idea how to play the game. It's just something you have to put up with but dont take it personally.

trankle · Jan 25, 2006, 01:25 PM // 13:25

I played my first character primarily with henchies, as well. I think it's a good way to take missions and quests at your own pace, get to know your builds, and explore. When I started playing PUGS, however, I really enjoyed it.

If you're to the desert, you know how to play your character by now, no need to second guess yourself. Alot of missions will require tweaking your build, but that's nothing new. Since you've already had a chance to scope out both missions, I say go for it with a PUG.

Avoiding a jerk PUG isn't too hard. You should be able to tell by the other players' language in town how they will act in the mission. When you see someone inviting, whisper them first. If you get a good vibe, join. Then, say hello to your team. If the majority of the players are friendly enough to reply, you're probably good. Of course, it's a good idea to check with other necros, to see if you'll both be trying for corpses, etc. If anyone says "gogogogogogogogo", and the leader doesn't boot them, leave the team.

The nice thing about joinging a group is that you don't have to be in charge of every decision. There's always someone who's been there before, and if you communicate and play your role in the team, you shouldn't need to worry about name calling. And if a jerk does slip in, rest assured that most of your teammates will see that he's a jerk too.

Have fun with it. There really is a whole other level of enjoyment to be had working with real people. And if you fail, you'll have that much more experience with the mission.

WasAGuest · Jan 25, 2006, 01:50 PM // 13:50

Your exp sounds like mine, at least for the most part. I have had some really sad groups where the entire group was wiped out in seconds due to the "Gogogo" rush and then the name calling started. [sigh]
Other times, I've had the best groups where even with good timing and planning we would still get beat due to a simple mistake. In those groups, we would get up and do it again with no name calling or tantrums. It really depends on the maturity of the players.
For most of the game I went with only henchies, till the ascension missions. I have heard they can be done, but I couldn't pull it off. So PuGs were my other option. For the most part, each ascension mission took one try and it was over pretty fast.
I would, if you are interested in such, start looking for a good* guild to join. Then you wouldn't have to worry about PuGs as much and would have a solid group of people to play with - and that will make the game that much more fun. I say this, cause it is what I am currently doing and grouped with a really good group last night all from a single guild.
And remember, test drive the guild before you join them. See if you like the people in it. I find that guilds, good ones anyway, will "test you out" in a group... you should be doing the same with them as you play. And by test I mean to see if you fit in (maturity and fun wise), not how good you are at playing a certain class. This may be different in PvP, but since I have nothing to do with that side of the game (it bores me) I can't comment on it.

*Good is a matter of taste. For me, a good guild is one that doesn't force a template on you, doesn't throw tantrums, scream and yell like a two year old, will group up and allow you to group up with doing something or pretty much nothing (social fun) and doesn't force a play style on you (PvP or PvE).
Your definition of good may be different.

Caged Fury · Jan 25, 2006, 01:59 PM // 13:59

Yes, both Elona Reach and Thirsty River can be done with a hench party.

I found Thirsty River alot trickier with a hench party though. Last night, I failed TR three times because the henchies kept deciding to be doormen and blocked the doorway to the priest. I was either left attacking the priest on my own while everyone else were standing idle outside the base, or trying to get in. Little Thom and Stefan are pretty effective as door bouncers.

Elona Reach was pretty easy with a hench party. Just need to keep them close to you so they don't aggro a mob that you don't intend to fight as you don't need to kill all the enemies.

I've now got 2 characters ascended and plan on getting my 3rd one ascended soon.

Regarding playing with other human players. Don't let bad experience with immature players put you off from joining pugs. Not all players are jerks.

sabretalon · Jan 25, 2006, 02:13 PM // 14:13

I understand why some people like the group thing and I can see the merits of it and the promise of getting through the game easier. In my instance I did inform them of my lack of group playing and they accepted that at the time, they never advised what I should take in with me or offer any tactics, the first time they said anything after I joined them was when I died!

I get regular requests to join guilds, I guess that is due to being level 20? I'm not against the idea, I just would have rather done the whole coop thing once I knew what to expect from the game?

I'm in the UK and play mainly on a weekend, Fri and Sat 21:30 hours onwards and Sun from 20:00. So if any of you hear from a Morte Talon LFG for mission then just shout out if you can help me out.

I will be trying to get through Elona first, now I know I do not have to go in and try and kill everything!

Igedit · Jan 25, 2006, 02:31 PM // 14:31

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Originally Posted by sabretalon

I understand why some people like the group thing and I can see the merits of it and the promise of getting through the game easier. In my instance I did inform them of my lack of group playing and they accepted that at the time, they never advised what I should take in with me or offer any tactics, the first time they said anything after I joined them was when I died!

I get regular requests to join guilds, I guess that is due to being level 20? I'm not against the idea, I just would have rather done the whole coop thing once I knew what to expect from the game?

I'm in the UK and play mainly on a weekend, Fri and Sat 21:30 hours onwards and Sun from 20:00. So if any of you hear from a Morte Talon LFG for mission then just shout out if you can help me out.

I will be trying to get through Elona first, now I know I do not have to go in and try and kill everything!

I found it far easier to do these missions without the fighter henchmen. You may want to give that a try.

fiery · Jan 25, 2006, 02:34 PM // 14:34

thirsty you can henchie it.. best is being a MM(minionmaster) and Elona may take a bit longer or you can buy a run for 1 k thats the cheapest people do it for. and PAY at last crystal others are scams

I_Tiger · Jan 25, 2006, 03:19 PM // 15:19

Hi Sabretalon, this is a good thread and I would agree with everything written here. As you are in the UK and as you seem like a mature person who wants to have fun, then might I suggest Infidels guild that I am a member of?

We as a clan have been around many years but are fairly new to GW (about 2-3 months). I have one level 20 character, same name as here and am currently at Fishermans Haven, so you are slightly ahead of me in the game. I'll be online tonight if you want to say 'hi' and hook up for a farming session or whatever, or you can visit our forum at www.infidels.org.uk.

Our guild currently has nine members and are mostly UK but with some from mainland Europe as well.

Good Luck and have fun.

Tijger · Jan 25, 2006, 03:25 PM // 15:25

I can only say find a good guild or make friends that are decent players.

Nothing wrong with being a newb, being a n00b is a totally different thing

There are plenty of those around but also plenty of players who help out others without wanting 1000 gold for it, if you need a hand on the EU servers add Sir Samuel to your friends list, I can usually rustle up some other lv 20's to give you a hand.

sabretalon · Jan 25, 2006, 04:28 PM // 16:28

Thanks all,

yes I am a mature player, both in age and attitude!

I will look out for some of the names on here and give you a shout when I'm next on, which will probably be Friday night.

I was never sure about joining guilds, mainly because of the amount of time I am on! As I mentioned above, I only go on at weekends, so it would not show a big commitment to the guild or is it just me thinking guilds would not want someone who only plays for something like 12 hours a weekend?

WasAGuest · Jan 25, 2006, 06:17 PM // 18:17

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Originally Posted by sabretalon

Thanks all,

yes I am a mature player, both in age and attitude!

I will look out for some of the names on here and give you a shout when I'm next on, which will probably be Friday night.

I was never sure about joining guilds, mainly because of the amount of time I am on! As I mentioned above, I only go on at weekends, so it would not show a big commitment to the guild or is it just me thinking guilds would not want someone who only plays for something like 12 hours a weekend?

Would depend on the guild I would imagine. If the guild(s) you find are demanding X amount of time, then, that guild is not for you. Just keep looking. I don't know if you have ever played other online games (I assume so since you have the Guild = lots of time demands), but so far I have found that the low level cap really helps with needing less time spent in game. A fact that my family is thankful for, especially coming from EQ. hehe

Pevil Lihatuh · Jan 25, 2006, 06:45 PM // 18:45

heh i'd just say do your own thing.

I played through with PUGs originally. NEVER again will i take a PUG. I have one char finished the game and poor girl is scarred by the amount of morons out there. Luckily I have a great guild and a few wonderful friends, but mostly my other 5 chars are going through henchies only.

Keep trying it with henchies if you like, and certainly don't doubt you're a good player, because to be honest with henchies you usually have to do more work, due to it being a scripted stupidity. Stupid people will usually manage to still pull through a mission and you can fall into some bad habits. Only thing you gain with PUGS that you dont with henchies is teamwork (pulling, calling targets)

Best advice if you choose to go for a PUG is, as already mentioned, don't go in groups who don't talk/insist you use this exact build/yell gogogogo stfu n00b.

rollntider · Jan 25, 2006, 06:46 PM // 18:46

Hey, I am sorta new to this forum and a sorta newbie on GW. I got the game when it came out and only played sporadic. The past few weeks I have really grown to love GW. I just started a small guild of adult players so far we are in our 30's so we are somewhat a mature group. I have been in guilds and gaming clans for about 5 years. (Unreal tournament and Warcraft/Diablo2) I recently started up one up for GW. It is for the casual gamer, that might need help with missions and trading items. It isnt for the "uber leet" gamer. Cause I am just about fun, and questing. If interested please visit www.floppyjoes.net the name is a pun of GI Joe and the floppy drive. My toon is Trigga Diggadoo, shoot me a line when you get on.

Maybe you can show me a thing or two, and I could help ya. I don't PVP much, but would maybe like to one day. I got a Team Speak server for the guild, and just bought a guild hall. I want to build a nice guild that if we do a PVP match, win or lose the members congratulate the opponents, and help their guildies while helping yourself. Its all about fun and respect. thats it.